I have heard that when sons (More so in the case of daughters. But here for reasons that are obvious I speak of sons) reach what is commonly referred to as marriageable (whatever THAT means) age, parents have a difficult time. No, no, no, no, no. I am not talking about finding the right partner for them, just the opposite in fact, sort of leaving them alone to lead their lives. But hearing about something and experiencing it first hand are two entirely different things as I found out, much to my chagrin.
Some time back I read a comment to some blog or other, written by a lady whose son was of that marriageable (sic!) age. The son, it seems, did not want to marry. The mother on her part, was fine with the adult son’s decision, as sensible mothers should be in my way of thinking. Of course it goes without saying that all sons (and daughters for that matter) would be adults when they are deemed to have reached marriageable (that word again) age. But try telling that to the majority of Indian parents with the typical controlling streak and they will look at you with incredulity writ large all over their possessive faces that clearly say what they think of you: a raving lunatic, quite obviously in the pay of the West.
Ahh the decadent West, the repository of the origins of all our troubles. What will we do without you to blame for all our ills? But let us leave the West aside for the moment, the controlling parents as well and concern ourselves only with the handful of sensible ones who treat their children as adults.
So as I was saying, there was this adult son who did not want to marry and the sensible mother who was okay with it. All hunky-dory one would think. Alas, not. Relatives and friends or “well-wishers” as these nosey-parkers like to call themselves, would have none of it. They pestered the mother at every opportunity they got. When is your boy getting married? Anything fixed yet? Why is he not married yet? Something wrong with him? There is a nice girl we know who is good wife-material… yada yada yada.
She bore it all with forbearance and warded them off as best as she could with, ‘My son does not wish to get married.’ Sacrilege. Not want to get married at all? Pah! Impossible! Every child wants to. It is just that children are wont to say, “Nahi, abhi nahi” (not now) to the parents with characteristic modesty. Haven’t they been “rightly” brought up to defer things to parents? So it was the mother’s duty to “get her son married”. If not she was failing miserably in her obligations as a parent/mother.
On my part I read all of this with interest and typical in the manner of the Innocent and Ignorantly-Inexperienced, pooh-poohed it. Lady, don’t listen to any of this nonsense. You and your son know what the truth is. He does not want marriage and you respect his wishes. Let the rest of them go jump in a well where such well-wishers rightly belong. Tchah! Those were my thoughts. That was then and this is now. And I still hold the same views.
Just like the lady above, nowadays, I too have to face a lot of questions from well-meaning-not busybodies. How old is your son, they ask me pointedly, in that most subtle way such people have. I tell them. Of course you don’t have to throw the Right to Information Act in my face for me to reveal my own age, let alone my son’s. The boy is twenty seven. Silence greets me, sort of pregnant, and not even the first trimester at that.
“Onnum aalochikkunnille?” (Not looking for alliances) they ask with the what-sort-mother-is-she look.
I usually answer that with a cheerful, ‘Illa’ (No). Not to seem rude, I add, that he wants a few more years before he takes the plunge. (And who am I to hurry him? It is his life, his decisions. This bit is said to myself, naturally!)
If you think this sort of probing started recently, come again. The moment he was out of college and into his first job, a friend asked me,
“Aren’t you looking for alliances for your son?”
I stared at her open-mouthed.
“He is only 21, just stepped out of college, Bindu!” I told her. Besides, wasn’t it up to him?
“So what? You have to start looking now. It may take a while to find the right one. If you find one sooner, you can have the engagement and the wedding at an appropriate time later.”
Advice and stupid advice at that! *eye roll* Difficult to believe that the person doling it out to me was a good 10 years or more younger to me, and mother of a school going son.
A few months later a cousin posed a similar question to me.
“Looking for girls for your son?”
“Isn’t he too young?” I countered. She was not the type to look at children as adults capable of making decisions.
“We are…” she replied smiling happily, speaking about her son of the same age as mine. So I understood where her question had come from.
This scenario has played itself out in myriad ways over time the last few years. But when my mother asked me the question too, I realized it was time to stop smiling in reply and TELL THE TRUTH. So I told her.
“Look here Amma. My children will not have an arranged marriage. They will find their own partners when they feel it is time. If anyone asks you, you can tell them this too.”
She knows me. So she accepted the truth of my words. If I hadn’t said what I did, I would have had to find excuses to thwart the ‘there is this nice girl I know, good family so on and so forth’ type of talk. The truth is always best that way. But let me tell you, not all are capable of telling the truth in this way.
Once again the topic of the senior son’s wedding had come up at a relative’s place. No, he does not want to get married now, I replied. But the L & M and I were gently chided. Children say that sort of thing. It is up to you parents to look for a girl and tell them/push them into marriage. They are people we often meet and if the matter was not attended to, this topic was going to come up again and again in further meetings. Worse still, horoscopes would be asked to match with those of prospective brides. I knew in my heart that the L & M would not be the one saying anything. So it was my call and I TOLD THEM THE TRUTH too. My children are against arranged marriage. We are with them in this matter. They will find their own partners and get married when they wish.
Now now, now….. Wait a minute. I have been going on about marriages and sons. But whaddya know, this blog is NOT about either. It is about how, however much upfront you are and tell the people the truth and nothing but the truth, you still end up being disbelieved. What a disheartening thing to note this is! It amazes me no end too, this coyness on the part of the general public to doubt my words. It shocks me to the core to think all my efforts at frankness has been taken by people, some of who have known me since long, with a liberal dose of salt. And I hope they end up feeling bloated drinking water. Ha. To think that my sincerity and openness has been like water down the drain!
What happened, you might well ask. In spite of laying out things so clearly in as black and white as it could be, I am brought proposals (for an arranged match) by those very persons to whom I have laid out the facts. Egads. What do they have in place of the thing that goes by the name brain? Or is it this attention deficit syndrome we keep hearing so much about? Or have they gone senile? But of course I know it is none of these things. None of them in their heart of hearts truly believe my words. You see they are judging me by their own standards. If at all they make statements like these, they never mean them. So they assume I do the same.
The worst is yet to come. I am told that I am not getting my son of marriageable (there once again!) age married because I don’t want to be a Grandma. Being a grandmother I am given to understand will make me older. Excuse me morons. My age increases by exactly one year, at every birthday of mine, just like yours. It is not going to jump by leaps and bounds if my sons have children. Neither would my looks change/suffer because of the same. And lastly, if it is the fact that I would be called ‘Grandma’ by little ones that you are hinting at (and here I actually pity you because the statement reflects your own fears), I’ll just let the Bard answer you: A rose by any other name will smell as sweet.
But of course, this is nothing compared to what the lady I talked about above had to face. She was told that the reason that she was not insisting on her son getting married was because she was an ogre who had her greedy eyes fixed on her son’s steadily filling up coffers. (I wonder how long it is before I hear the same.). The son it seems was almost willing to make the sacrifice for the mother when he came to know of this. Better sense prevailed when the mother saw the unhappy face of the son. But the question remains, what do you say to such cruel people? I know the answer to that one. ‘Get out!’ seems to be a pretty good start.
Updated to add
Indians and Matrimony by Ritu
‘Get out!’ is the best answer to these people!
So so so annoying! It is as if society as a whole starts getting worried if a son(or daughter) or ‘marriageable’ age is not married off by a certain age! Good for you, Shail! We need more mothers like you 🙂
@Smitha,
Privacy is not a word anyone understands in the Indian context except very few. Thanks Smitha. It upsets me when people don’t accept that I mean what I say and persist in ‘arranging’ marriage for my children.
LOL!! Reminds me of the Dhobi and his Donkey story. You got the crux of the matter “If at all they make statements like these, they never mean them. So they assume I do the same.” People have the toughest time understanding a Straighforward, Direct, No-nonsense person who say what they mean and mean what they say. Heres one more addition to the list of reasons for “Looking when not looking”— “Even if you arent interested, keep looking, who knows, someone might click”. *rolls eyes hoping it stays there*
Now slightly off topic, have you noticed people who say “Can I get you something to drink/eat?” when you visit them and cant really take the “No, Thank you”?
@Rashmi,
Why can’t a simple sentence like, ‘No we are not for arranged marriage” not be understood and accepted? Beats me. And on top of that it is all my fault because I don’t want to grow old and be a Grandma! Have you ever heard such nonsense?!
Of course I know them. I have a tough time because I have a very sensitive system and don’t like guzzling those soft drinks/tea/coffee etc. But… *rolls eyes*
It is a source of such amusement that everyone, even the ones that have never met you are “Psychic” in these instances. They know exactly why, how and where you think the way you think. *giggling*
@Rashmi,
Indeed it is 😆
Just received this post in my mail box.
Enjoyed reading.
Will comment later.
Have much to say.
Regards
GV
Relatives!!! I swear they make your life so complicated!! Why can’t they just mind their own business?!
I know too many parents who would cow down to the pressure in the end and make their kids’ lives miserable…
On a lighter note, lady you should’ve told me your son is of marriageable age. I’d have definitely married him – just to get a super mom-in-law like you!!! 😀 😀 😀
@Ashwathy,
Ha, not me though 😉 I may write a blog, but no cowing down to the pressure. Ahem I look forward to a battle of wits on this 😛 Really 😉 😉
Lol @the lighter note 😀 😀 Yeah some think I’d make a super MIL. But actually I am jittery, hoping the future DIL will not look askance at me and my ways as unsuitable to MILS and will just let me be 😉 😛
@Shail, Haha that’s also there… what if you get a traditional DIL? 😉
Kidding!! Ur DIL will think u r super cool !!
@Ashwathy,
Keeping my fingers crossed 😉
hi, wow , even i faced so much such remarks for my daughters , like my elder daughter got married last year and then she converted to christian (catholic ) , she stays in her own flat ( rent ) though we are in the same place , then when is she having a baby , omg the question are many , and like you i reply very bluntly , that is only way , now my younger daughter stays with her sister and my son-in-law , again why is she not with you , and why do you leave your family and travel alone to foreign countries , give me a break man , i have done my duties all these yrs and now my children are grown and also my hubby by choice does not like to travel , so here i go oh la la and do things i always waited to do , things which got buried with the duties of motherhood and being a dutiful wife …..
@sujatha,
Welcome to Shail’s Nest Suja 🙂
I can well imagine what you must have faced. Married children staying separately is viewed as a crime in most homes. Really! I wouldn’t want my kids to stay with me and start their life on their own.
Ahhh and travel?! I am sure they are saying much the same about me! 😉 Leaving the “poor” husband and going away. 😆 All these years I have been busy keeping home and parenting. Now they have left home. My husband does not like travel. but I do. So, now that I am free, I opt to travel more. You should see the looks that I get when they ask ‘Where have you been?” and I answer! So I very much understand your plight. 🙂
interesting to read this from a parents persepective 🙂
Glad to knwo u and L&M give so much freedom to your kids .. we need more parents like you !!
@Ruchira,
I really can’t think of any other way to bring up kids Ruchira. I used to call myself a Hitler Mom, and was strict with my kids when they were younger, but only in things I felt mattered, like, doing their lessons, good manners, respect to elders, keeping time, being tidy (where I have been a miserable failure, lol) etc… But as they grew, and by the time they reached their 11th/12th, I set them free. Once you have taught your lessons, it is up to them how they utilize it. I am amazed at mothers who call up sons/daughters to wake them up to go to office from their hometowns! If it were my kids, I’d let them oversleep and face the consequences and learn the hard way! 😛 Some people would call me cruel 😛
“Some people would call me cruel :)” – But I would call you the best mom ever 😛 So few people realize when its ok to give freedom and when its not !
@Ruchira,
🙂
I quite understand how you feel. I wanted to write a long post but decided to be brief instead.
I have seen this happening from close quarters in my own family.
Senior family elders take great pleasure in playing the role of matchmakers and lose no opportunity to pair off couples.
They monitor the education and career of the boy and girl and also collect horoscopes and circulate them, without the knowledge of the couple.
Nothing pleases some persons in my age group and above than to watch a match that they conceived materialising.
I was spared this experience over 10 years ago as my daughter acted too fast for these nosy relatives (that included her own grandparents!)
My daughter is now 34 and warned me 12 years ago that I need not look for a match for her.
She was 22 when when she told me she was already keen on somebody. He happened be her friend in engineering college, one year her senior.
I made them wait 2 years just to ensure that the relationship was on firm ground and also to give them a chance to settle down in a good job and career. They got married 10 years ago and have settled in California since 2001.
A lot of relatives, must have been disappointed at watching this prey slip out of their clutches.
My son is 25 and nothing has changed in 10 years. The relatives are at it again.
My son, does not even allow my wife to choose a shirt for him while shopping. Catch him allowing us to choose a wife for him!
I have , like you , absolutely no intention of looking for a wife for him. For one thing, he is simply too young for marriage. Secondly he is highly ambitious academically and has just been admitted for a DPhil Program at Oxford University. He has a long way to go before he thinks of marriage and family responsibilities.
I am sure he will choose his mate at a time that suits him. I am mentally ready for just anybody he chooses. It might even be a foreigner, I don’t know. It’s his life and he will decide it. I don’t even give his horoscope to any one who asks. He will be furious with me if he comes to know. But some relatives already know the time and date and place of his birth. They have cast his horoscope already! Being a Rhodes scholar with a double degree from Oxford and soon to be a Dphil (or PhD, as we call it) from Oxford, good looking and with skills and achievements in classical music, English theatre, poetry, writing (printed media and internet) he is considered a prize catch. I can quite understand the eagerness of some relatives to pair him off and take credit.
Right now, we are tactfully fending off polite inquiries but soon I expect we will have to deal with more aggressive relatives who will walk in and simply demand a copy of his horoscope and also shove the horoscope of girls into our unwilling and uninterested hands.
I am preparing for this situation right now.
Your post touched a chord and I am happy to share my thoughts with you.
I hope and pray your sons will find life partners of their own, in good time. Yes, I agree with Ashwathy, those girls will be fortunate to have a Mil like you.
And finally, before I sign off, your new profile photo is great!
Regards
GV
@G Vishwanath,
You decided to be brief? 😉 Just kidding.
I feel the ‘traditional’ among us find it impossible to accept and leave out of their activities, those who have adopted a life-style different from them. I have been spared a lot because to them I am ‘obviously’ different. But it really amazes me, how they cannot “hear” what I am telling them outright. It is outrageous, this total denial of existence of others different from them.
Good to hear about your son.
And thank you for the compliment. 🙂
It’s amazing how some of us have no sense of personal space and individual choices!! Just think about it, some adults are advising some other adults to push yet other adults to do something they don’t want to do. The assumption that the third set of adults doesn’t know what they want/or what’s good for them is completely acceptable and seen as ethical too!
@indianhomemaker,
It IS amazing how the ridiculousness escapes them. Personal space is a term unknown. The level of interference in lives of each other is unbelievable. Nobody even feels anything is wrong!
It is not as if “traditionally inclined” families too are not facing their fair share of trouble with nosey-parkers. They do. But nobody likes to bell the cat. We Indians are great ones for suffering and then cribbing rather than taking any action.
@Indianhomemaker We have a 23 year son (our youngest) who has a 43-year old divorcee girlfriend, a nice lady, but I think that this relationship is all wrong. They’re both adults, but I (Bob) can’t help but wish son was dating more conventially. Adults or not I think that these two people are just taking unfair and unwise advantage of each other. I don’t like them together, but I (Bob)don’t want to hurt my son. Is this my business or not? Your opinion please. Thanks Bob
@Bob Hoff,
Dear Bob, What makes you think they are taking unfair and unwise advantage of each other?
Apart from their ages, do you have any other objections to their relationship?
What are the chances of the relationship lasting if your son is not happy in it?
If your son ended the relationship because he senses your disapproval, what are the chances of his later, regretting this? And holding it against you?
-IHM
@IHM You make some good points. I believe that the “availabilty” of sex for each hinders their evaluating the ethics of the situation. Both seem lonely. Is that a reason to form an alliance “across” so two decades and backgrounds? I mainly don’t want to hurt him. In a short twenty years, his friend will be early 60″s)) and he will be in early 40’s and I believe he will be missing the companioship of woman of is own age and real interests THEN. I know that I need to butt out because so much of this is based on “WHAT IF?” Thanks for thoughts. Bob
Thanks Shail!
ROFL.
I think bookmarking this post is a good idea. I can send it to a few people in the family every now and then 😀 😀
Marriageable age: what the hell is that? Ugh!
@Scorpria,
If people want to remain stuck in some groove, they should remain there and let others move on. 😉
I was not too pleased with my own penn-kanal. You will find my subtly expressed opinion here: https://shailsnest.com/wp/life/the-day-the-ice-was-broken/ But that was the norm those days and I wasn’t enough of a fire-brand back then to oppose 😛 But believe me, if I had been in love or something, I would have raised hell or run away 😛
Yeah, why can’t people be left to marry when they please, whatever the age?!
First off, shail, this is such a great post. Like all th others, but becos i ave two sons, all th more!!First off, shail, this is such a great post. Like all th others, but becos i ave two sons, all th more!! This is exactly what i’ve told many ‘concerned’ relatives when they enquired abt my eligible sons. Lol. Th icing is, both chose their partners, got engaged in simple ceremonies, but now th selfsame concerned ppl ask abt th younger one… Isnt he a bit young? And i roll my eyes and say i trust he knows what he is doing, and that is that! I wish these people would jus mind their own bl**** business! I trust my boys, because i’ve brought them up, not you, you concerned lot! I so want to go Bah! Humbug! Like scrooge, when they spout their theories and cliches! Lovd this post v. Much! PS… Pl to forgive typos and short forms, coz this is sent thru’ mobile.
@Usha,
Minding their own business seems alien to them. And they have a good backing of age-old excuses which none dare question. Its the way things have been done and should be forever, we want to see you/children happy, making a marriage happen is “puny” and so on and so forth… With all these under their belt, they have the license to interfere freely. I wish they’d go find some other hobby to interest themselves! That’s one thing. Not having any other hobby that makes them poke their nose everywhere. Gah!
I am so glad for both your sons! 😀
Gawd! The comment above is such a mish mash… Sorry abt that! But, i really loved this one!
@Usha,
Thank you Usha. I have chased the Typo Police off for you 😉 😀
hey Shail,
its a nice thought provoking post . I am being forwarned ….
When soemone hands you a horoscope of the proposed alliance for your son , tell them it does not match with your horoscope so the relation between DIL and MIL is not going to be very cordial which is very crucial in an arranged marriage . horoscope matching with the ‘marriagable’ boy is incidental.regret it and send it back.
@kirti,
Hahaha! You know I told my sons (and it made them laugh) that more than they themselves I don’t want an arranged marriage or a traditional type bahu. Just imagine what she such a one will think of me, I said in horror. A MIL who spends most of her time tapping away at the keyboard and letting the food burn! 😉 😉 I want a bahu who will leave me alone and just let me be! 😉 😉
You have shown the difference between traditional and non traditional thinking very humorously. Being a parent of a grown up girl and boy I too face such situations. My daughter is getting wedded to the boy of her choice, but yes they did ask for our permission. Once I had asked my son about his views on arranged marriages and he just laughed loudly and said “Dad I like the joke.” We bring up our children to be very independent thinkers and then we expect them to marry the girl/boy of our choice. Not on. But you know, the people who ask us about our children’s wedding plans are not morons as such. They are highly qualified and successful in other spheres of life. It’s just that they are conditioned by tradition and believe they are doing the right thing but we don’t think so. Each side has to learn to tolerate and live with the other.
@Vivek,
Errr… Vivek, have I said anywhere that people who ask me about my children’s wedding plans are morons? Come on, you make me feel like a lowly worm and for no reason. Yep, I did not fail to notice that dig at me. But all I can say is you have missed something (who exactly I called morons) here, besides, I wouldn’t want to lecture you 😛 So find it yourself.
I love that sentence, “Each side has to learn to tolerate and live with the other.” But it also confuses me a lot. I find myself doing a lot of tolerating and letting live but am left looking in vain for my share of it. So I have concluded that these are asked only of people like me and the others, the “traditional” people have a free run to not let live and be as intolerant as they please. That’s a lot unfair, don’t you think? And one-sided too. In fact that is one of the reasons that I am left no option but resort to rants like these. Forget others, just imagine if only AT LEAST “those people to whom you have patiently explained” that your path differs from theirs would leave you alone. Sigh. Yeah I know, I am the unreasonable one, asking for too much. Right?!! 😉
Wouldn’t it be nice if people would simply mind their own business?
@Madeleine Begun Kane,
Yeah, wouldn’t it be so nice?!
I get where you come from… but Its about time we told people to shut up adn mind your own business ! its got to start somewhere !
@hitchy,
Its about time the “traditionally inclined” realize the world is not their’s alone to dictate. 🙂
I have the best answer to this scenario. Damn, this is a blog post in itself. Off to write it Ha!
@Phoenixritu,
Well well well, I loved your answer and the post! Have linked it here as well 🙂
@Shail, Thanks for the link love. You’re such a doll! 😀
@Phoenixritu, I like to pull her cheeks
@Hrishi,
*ouch*
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Brilliantly written. I can so very well relate to whatever you have expressed.
My cousin who wanted to be wedded to a person of choice was the worst victim of these nosy parkers. She liked a person who was of same age as her. Her parents were against as they were worried how their ‘well wishers’ would accept an intercaste wedding and how their reputation would be spoilt in the so called ‘Society’.
Though both my cousin and the guy she liked were very well qualified, gold medalists with a promising career ahead, none of this seemed to matter. Finally when they knew how resolute she was they had no other way, but to give in. But one more problem in store for her was that the guy she liked wanted to do his PhD and the ladkewale wanted him to marry only after this. Her parents were constantly approached by nincompoops almost twice a day with horoscopes.
Her parents started mounting this pressure on my cousin and would torture her each and every day saying this is all her fault. She stopped attending functions because she was being looked upon as an ‘Outcaste’. She was being given hurtful taunts about some XYZ cousin of hers who had flunked and could not graduate but has managed to get married to a well-off guy and has a kid already, though she is 2 years younger to her. Her educational qualifications, achievements at work, the awards she bagged obviously were not a ‘good news’in comparison with good news of being married. Though she was a very strong, lively carefree girl, she was pushed in to depression, thanks to these ‘well-wishers’. Rage fills my heart when I think about how she got suicidal for on fault of hers.
I am so happy you are such a supportive parent. But I wonder if this match making will ever end and leave us in peace? It happend even during the generation of my parents, and it continues even now. I really hope people will learn to mind their own business in the next 100 years atleast. But I highly doubt if it would happen.
@Smriti,
Welcome to Shail’s Nest Smriti and thank you 🙂 Very sad to hear about your cousin. This is so sad, when parents think of marriage as the goal for children and cannot see beyond it.
I hear some people say, “Poor girl!” about some who aren’t married yet though in good jobs and leading wonderful lives. Listening to it makes me bristle and I ask what the hell is wrong with their lives? Is your life ‘made’ only when you get married?
Sadly enough I don’t feel life has changed much from the time I myself was married. Seriously! It amazes me that people think along the same lines as three decades back even now! So yeah, like you I wonder if this matchmaking thing will change in the next 100 years at least.
On a different note, the heroine of one of my short stories is called ‘Smriti’. Lovely name 🙂
In certain communities (not sure if it happens in yours), the prodding and suggesting of prospective alliances is simply good business. They get a commission for fixing an alliance, and many are proud of it. So, if the children are allowed to look out for their own partners, these people (relatives) would lose one of their sources of income.
And parents encourage all this nonsense because they have an eye on ‘dowry’. The parents of the sons, I mean. There are astrologers who would give a good reading of the horoscope, if they are given a higher payment. Arranged marriage is built on such solid ‘principles’ and ‘ethical codes’.
But I do not think Love marriages are good enough. First, during ages of 16-23 the sons and daughters are pretty much immature and tend to take decisions on emotional grounds. After that, they slowly find out the truth and become uninterested in ‘falling in love’!
Its a perfect ‘Between the Devil and Deep Sea’ situation, you know 🙂
Destination Infinity
@Destination Infinity,
Yes, we have the marriage brokers here too. 🙂 Oh yeah, dowry is a big thing. From the time my sons were born I am hearing that I belong to ‘lene wale’ while some unfortunate people are ‘dene wale’. I get so pissed off hearing that. Yes, some astrologers bend all the rules for you for some decent sum.
Whether love marriages are good or not, they are at least decisions made by individuals themselves and not by parents. If it is left to individuals, they might take more care to chose who they want to live with. But when rebellious, children tend to choose all the wrong people for the wrong reasons. Besides emotionally immature children cannot be married off by parents either, and leave them to fend for themselves in an alien household, especially true in the case of girls.
Indeed, it is a Devil and Deep sea situation. But I’d say put emphasis on the bringing up and not on the marriage as the be all and end all of life as it is seen now. 🙂
Enjoyed my first visit
@Thommy,
Welcome to Shail’s Nest and thank you 🙂
Oh the inevitable marriageable age!!
I doubt any amount of explanation will help clear this major interest amongst the relatives… pretty irritating as this age is determined by relatives who meet you once a year and now yourself/ your parents!
@Aathira,
I am mystified why it is any concern of such people. Really!
🙂 Oh my oh my …
I went to this wedding this weekend , the guy is 39 years old 🙂 and you will not beleive it but more and more kids are getting married later and later in life .. Which i think is good .. as they are standing on there own feet earning there money and settled .. I think the sons need to get out of there parents house and make one of their own and then think of marriage … I see a lot of my friends who are still living in there Fathers house …
By the way .. When you getting you son married .. I jsut want a reason to come to india HA HA HA HAHAHA 🙂 this is called bin bulaye mehman or zabardasti ke guest 🙂 YEah I am shameless when things come to this he he hehe
Bikram’s
@bikram,
Good that people are getting married when they feel like it and not because it is the tradition to marry at a particular age. Surely, I agree too, children should get out of the home and live on their own before they think of marriage.
And Biks, of course I will let you know. And you can come and join the festivities when the wedding happens. 😉 Hehehe..
I didn’t read the whole blog. People should just mind their own business. Yeah you care, or are curious. You asked, and were replied. End of topic. Whom they get married to or not, is their own choice. Move on people.
@Hrishi,
What! Read it bro or you are getting bricks thrown at you! But how n ice it would be if people asked and would move on once they got the answer! Sigh.
I am happy Shail that you don’t like to engage your sons to an arranged marriage. All saying that I am agreeing with you. Let them decide on their own to look for their better-half someday if they deem ready to settle down. 🙂
You are right to say that those who labeled you that you are afraid to be called “Grandma” are those who are themselves afraid to be called the same. Hahahahaha!
I am happy for your sons to have you as their mother. No pressure! ^_^
@Richette,
Thanks Richette and so happy to see you here 🙂 Ahh yes, I agree it is their own fear of growing old that makes them say that. Imagine saying something so stupid! Yup, no pressure for my kiddos 😀
A wonderful writeup. Ranting of well wishers and chanting of poor parents rarely yield results!!
@Rahul,
Welcome to Shail’s Nest and thank you. 🙂 Good isn’t it? Children better make decisions based on more solid things than parents rantings and chanting 🙂
🙂
@R. Ramesh,
🙂
First time here. Great post. It is funny this happens today also. I thought we are beyond that. :))))
@A,
Are you sure itis the first time? I believe you might have dropped in earlier. Anyways, if it is, welcome to Shail’s Nest. 🙂 And thank you.
Yes, astonishingly it happens still! Long way to go I guess.
“Mind your own business” is another good answer to these people. My parents are getting that too because you see, I am 27 (shock, horror!) and way over the marriageable age for girls. And I’ve been told by family friends and the ‘well-wishers’ about how it will make my parents happy to see me “settled down”. I have had countless arguments about how if I am happy the way I am, my parents should be happy. My mum keeps saying I’m not interested but people keep pushing her to “do her duty”. I guess on the plus side, I’m not living with them, so people give her a break occasionally! What can you do though with people like this?!
@Psych Babbler,
I can imagine what your parents must be facing. Yeah that push to ‘do your duty’ is exactly the one that I am in for. The fun part of all this is what I can see clearly, going through their minds. They doubt the son has found a foreigner (some advice me that, THAT should not happen at any cost; it should at least be an Indian!) and we are just buying as much time as possible before being forced to reveal it ot them all. On my part I wish there was something that I chock them with and cackle evilly. Okay, okay, I admit, I am not the typical mother material 😛 😉 😆
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“was told that the reason that she was not insisting on her son getting married was because she was an ogre who had her greedy eyes fixed on her son’s steadily filling up coffers.” OMG, they said that!! How insensitive can people be! Oh yes ‘Get Out’ is a good way to deal with such morons!
I so am going to forward this post to my Ma who I’m sure will find much resonance with you, shail. She braves a fair amount of nosey-parkers who have taken it upon themselves to drill into her how my brother has attained the ‘marriagable’ age and how she’d better find him a girl before its too late’ 🙄
@Deeps,
People are so thoughtless cruel and the much simpler fact that it is none of their business (or that there exists humans different from them) never seems to penetrate deep enough into their skulls.
Ahh I can guess what your mother must be facing now 😉
Well-written as always, Shail. See my comment to Indianhomemaker. What do you think about this situation I have? Thanks, Bob
@Bob Hoff,
Thank you Bob. IHM has answered you and I concur with her. 🙂
Shail, I have sad news for you: the comments section was MORE interesting than the blog post! Hehe! Okay okay, I meant to say that it was a close competition! Haha!
Jokes apart, I love the fact that such “basics” in many Indian communities are being dissected apart. While I won’t question the intent of such processes, possibly they were extremely important eons ago, but I love the stance that you’ve taken.
If you think about it, the root cause of this over-assertive behaviour on the lifestyles on the next generation (whether they’re adult or not) is quite deep-rooted. We decide their school hobbies, education, career (doctor or engineer, ugh) (many times against the wishes of the said person) and – why not – life partner.
This is not going away anytime soon. Sure, you have some islands of great thinking here and there, but it’s rare. And sadly, it’s going to take many more generations for a sea of change!
@Kartikay,
Welcome to Shail’s Nest. Glad you enjoyed the comments 🙂
Well, I am not a part of the ‘we’ you have mentioned who decide hobbies or education of children. 🙂 So the question of life partners for them does not arise. The fact is, many parents are willing to let children chose their field of education but will not let them choose their own partner (Choosing from a list parents provide is not freedom, according to me)
I have been advised time and again on this matter. “No no no, Freedom and all is okay in everything else. But don’t let them choose their partners” is the advice meted out to me, unasked 😛 I have been also told not to talk of this option in front of the children (while they had been younger and now too) as “it might give them ideas” *rolls eyes* Unbelievable.
I agree, the islands are too few and rare. When I see some of the new born baby birds with closed minds worse than those I encountered during my own college days more than 30 decades back, I don’t have any illusions of change in the near future.
Btw, that was a good piece on the Local Teaparty 🙂
Oh hey – I’m not finger pointing here 🙂
I’m really happy to know that you stand out – and speak up for it! Let’s just hope the generations change faster!
You liked that post on Local Tea Party? Hehe, thanks! He’s a really interesting character, I can tell you that!
@Kartikay,
Hmm.. I was not, by the way. Just the fact that when you find youngsters following the same rigid thought even after quarter century, one is left wondering when and where the change is going to come from.
My one wish is to write a post like The Local Teaparty (I told him that on twitter…. its a ‘he’, right?) with all the ‘Is its?’ and all! 😉 😉
Just came across your blog today, and am enjoying it so far.
It surprises me to see some of my classmates(I’m 21, about to graduate next year) already receiving inquiries about alliances. Glad to know there are sensible parents like you, and my parents out there.
On a lighter note, someone came up with this Dowry Calculator. It’s fun 🙂
@Bhoraskar,
Welcome to Shail’s Nest and thank you 🙂 The logic by far is, make them settle down (esp the girls, but also boys) before they start getting thoughts of independence, which translates to “they haven’t been brought up to be independent”! 😛 Yeah, a few of us are different I guess and hope to be left alone. 🙂
Yep, I had come to know and seen this dowry calculator
Aren’t you a menace to society?
doubling the old people’s anxiety;
and snatching away their chance of gaiety.
For the sake of your very own safety
keep to yourself your ideas of propriety.
Baaaaaaaaaaah 🙂
@RSS,
The smiley gave it all away Mr.RSS! 😉 Next time try to look serious and menacing 😉
I guess some parents will definitely have a grouse against me 😉 😉
Was it only the smiley that gave it away? 😦 Booooooooooooohoooooooooooooo…….
@RSS,
Errr… no, the rhyming verse as well 😉
Awesome luck your sons have. If only, I could convince my mom about the idea. Mind you shes not against love marriages or finding partners myself, its the being single idea she doesnt seem to like 😦 Plus the fact that being in the middle east, my chances of finding that person diminishes considerably so she wants to start looking instead. As of the time of this comment, I am still fighting for the singlehood status. Will come back after thats lost to see how long this lasts 😀
Time to come back and update, Tito 😀
ROTFL… ok Update: As of today, I have found that one woman who somehow has agreed to marry me. Luckily it happened while my moms efforts were peaking and so all is well. My mom thinks she triumphed into convincing me, my fiance thinks it was all timing and I think my life is all about co-incidences, a good one this time
Wow! Congrats Tito! 😀 So you now have three versions on the same event eh? 🙂
Well, isnt that the way life is.. Everyone has his/her own version of an event and they either love it or hate it.. Me , I just spin the tales..
When are we getting to know who, when, where of it? *more curious than Luci*
Your sons are very lucky to have you as their mother. When my sister announced that she will not get married the arranged way, she almost gave a heart attack to my parents and extended family. They can’t seem to get over their incredulity about the fact that she would reject an arranged marriage. It only makes things worse that choice marriages have been very rare in my family, and those who did marry this way are treated as outcasts.
People actually think I am just saying this for effect. As of now, my sons are still unmarried and NOW some of them are waking up to the fact that ‘maybe, just may be she means what she says’!
Ah, refreshing post! Your sons are indeed lucky 🙂
Unfortunately I see even the most liberal parents succumb to the pressure when their child becomes a “late” age. The kind who have raised their children to be completely independent and free in their thinking.
Having said that, you know, I’ve seen many friends/cousins find people through the arranged marriage system that they utterly hopelessly fall in love with, and maybe compounded by virtue of a common background, get along like soulmates! Of course its a gamble, but perhaps with a lot of care and thought, its not such a bad option for those ‘adults’ who aren’t very social/outgoing!
I have seen that happening too, parents succumbing. 🙂 Not going to happen with this parent though 😉
Being happy in an arranged marriage depends on the people involved. Not all of us are of the same mentality or have the same ideas about marriage or what constitutes love/happiness.
“what do you say to such cruel people?”
Nothing really, seeing that saying anything is just a waste of time and energy.
What I would really like to do, is peer into their eyes as if probing to see if there is a brain behind those eyes, look shocked first, then roll my eyes and just walk off leaving their mouth hanging open mid-sentence! 😉
I would love to do that. Really! 🙂
on a lighter side : njan mathiyo,marumolaayittu? 😀
ignore is the best word to help you
Lol. It is their choice, remember 😉
Familiar situation and interesting post.
but on the other hand I wonder, what is supposedly other way to get one’s spouse? especially in conditions when one doesn’t have other sex’s even decent presence in surroundings ( i.e. work or other wise), any idea?? also I would like to hear your first born’s view on this, if possible.
His view? He will find his own spouse. That’s his view 🙂 I thought that was obvious in the lines:
“My children are against arranged marriage. We are with them in this matter. They will find their own partners and get married when they wish.”
Have to add,
Props to you, I wish my parents were like yours..will relieve a lot of pressure.
So true, Shail. This is a disease with Indians — this mindless meddling! I am proud of parents like you who don’t wilt under the pressure but know how to stand by what is right. Can you imagine how bad this “marriageable age” thingie is for girls? I wish we could just lift a wand and wipe out such moronic views from our society.
3 years late but better late than never….
Had to chime in b/c this is very applicable in my situation right now. Except my parents are trying to rush me to get married and vowed to look for some mallu boy from Kerala (which IMO will be a NO) I suppose after I graduate, hence I’m pressured to learn and be like the olden style malayalee girl doing things the way ppl lived in the 1950’s (give me a break with that) and i’m only 25! According to them I already “old” for marriage and should be having kids now since 21-23 is when you are “supposed to marry”. Not like that anymore in reality, and no matter how hard you try to explain to them and have them realized times have changed, it never sticks to their heads.